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Organization. they have already been found lie blg by the judge on one of the seven causes of action here, so the penalties the trump organization is facing here, the a.g. is asking for $370 million and more important is the cancellation of the trump organization's business certificates here in new york. if that happens they're literally out of business. that's what's at stake here. >> a couple things, the fact this is going to be decide by one judge. trump's team didn't argue to get a jury. they might have had a shot at that. also, is there a bit of room here for appeal, at least on the secon...

A trial. the appeal there answering the question. what are you asking the court to do? not how a jury will find, but what is the legal question here? it is not an overall fact finding hearing we are going to have witnesses and testimony or the courthouse or the a.g.'s filing against trump in new york. instead, it is what is the legal basis? here's what's interesting about this, the court could bury will conclude whether there is immunity or not without touching the underlying facts of the case. the legal question is, does a president have absolute immunity that they cannot be prosecuted for an...

As a platform to be able to come out and skew his version of events outside of the courtroom. he's not going to be able to do that. a court of appeals argument as you know is very different. there is not a trial, there's no witnesses, there is no breaks to go out. i mean, he can say whatever he wants to say afterwards and before the courthouse, but it is a very different somber formal atmosphere. so, he thinks there is going to be that kind of environments he will be sorely board and disappointed. >> i mean, we're talking about an appeal. people think of themselves as law & order, every courtr...

The courthouse steps. but unlike what happened in new york when we saw james the a.g. do something dup diifferent, wet hear them on the courthouse steps. >> oh, no, trump will be a spectator. >> which will drive him crazy. >> he is allowed to talk outside of court. i don't know what he will. one thing that is important and tone of this rgtargument and trump's approach, there has been a shift. early day, he had a different team of lawyers. very aggressive and very political throwing things out there that were just so over the top. but now a shift. and if you -- >> can we just note, you can cont...

The odds, trump remains anabella. that's a great example, the argument that he was not tried or charged with insurrection. i don't think that's the strongest argument, but it is an argument to be made. i think the constitution's text alone does not require a criminal prosecution. but you asked about the issues that the court may consider. they may consider one global issue. for example, is donald trump at officer within the meaning of section three of the 14th amendment? that would give some guidance to all the states. but i think it's going to be more complicated than that. let's just take ma...