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Transcripts for MSNBC Katy Tur Reports 20240604 19:55:00

Dishonest. he said you can t do that. he s running for president. this case is tinged by the fact it s the biden administration prosecutoring his punitive opponent in the election. harbaugh said that claim is false. the special counsel was appointed to insulate this case from politics, he said. all the people prosecuting the case are political appointees and politics plays no role. that was the most dramatic exchange. did you see anything from judge aileen cannon and those arguments, anything you can glean from her reaction? reporter: so, as i said, cannon appeared to brush aside arguments from one of trump s lawyers that you can t pick a jury in this case while trump is running for president because there s so much media coverage that it s too much and he can t get a fair trial. she brushed that aside, said that s not what i m focusing on. she was focusing on the complexity of the case, the volume of documents that the ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Katy Tur Reports 20240604 19:20:00

There is precedent down there to delay at trial for quite a period of time when it is complicated. is this as complicated as a medicare fraud case? insurance is very complicated. but does that give you some cover? it might, but what doesn t are some of the excuses trump s team have made, we re a small law firm, we can t use contract attorneys. the department of justice made very clear that s not an excuse. you need to hire people on a part-time or interim basis, we ll give them the security clearance they need. you have some time here and this isn t that complicated. given the scope of this you would think he would have the most amount of legal firepower you could bring. he s the former president. you would think top-notch law firms. a team of people in navy and ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Katy Tur Reports 20240604 19:15:00

with respect to his civil trials, he said i have these two civil trials already scheduled. we all know from the e. jean carroll trial that occurred that when given an opportunity to participate in a civil trial, a fairly limited duration, donald trump didn t take it. he didn t show up in person. would a judge take that into consideration, all of the facts, all of the circumstances, all of the past behavior? i think she or he would and you should note the department of justice took that into consideration in propoing that december trial date purposely working around the other things that are on trump s schedule, a trial, the march trial on the d.a. s hush money case. so many lowers. it s also before primary season so they were working in a strategic way to find a time that is fair and open. we are watching to see how judge aileen cannon might rule. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Katy Tur Reports 20240604 19:53:00

Rule. we got some insights into their thinking. there was a heated discussion from both sides particularly about scheduling this case and how quickly it can go to trial. judge cannon appeared to brush aside the arguments from the trump side that, because of all the publicity around him running for president, they can t pick a jury before the presidential election. she didn t have much patience for that. but she appeared to have sympathy for the argument that this case is so complex that they can t follow the prosecution s blueprint and have a trial as early as december. some of the details that emerged about that is that the government is turned over 1.1 million pages of documents and more than a thousand days of video footage, cctv footage. while the justice department has tried to delineate which of that footage is important to their case and make it easier if the defense, trump s lawyers are saying we have to look at all of it in order to fairly represent our clients. they also argu ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Katy Tur Reports 20240604 19:54:00

There is a new york trial on criminal charges that will happen early next year. there is a there s a civil trial, the attorney general is pursuing against the trump organization. and these same lawyers are involved. so for scheduling reasons and for complexity reasons, they re asking they come back in november and then try to talk about having a trial. and one of trump s lawyers said there shouldn t be any trial sooner than november of 2024. the judge didn t rule. she ll issue a written ruling soon. but she appeared to be sympathetic to the idea the case is more complex than the government is making it out to be. also, there was a heated discussion or dispute between the government and trump s lawyers about whether donald trump should be treated differently because he s running for president. david harbaugh, one of the lead attorneys for the special counsel, wassed a amant that the constitution requires that he be treated like any other criminal defendant. and trump s lawyer said tha ....

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