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15,000 a month retainer at the rnc as like basically kind of a slush fund. this was the same gig that was offered to omarosa where it's like you just kind of keep people in the circle, the circle float around. there is no sense, literally no sense here. this is the thing i think is so distinct from the obama administration which i know quite well. a sense of vetting. a sense the obama people were looking over their shoulder for the next scandal. if we let anyone through for the sliver of something, we are toast. >> when obama first came to office. van jones gone. there were so many people -- >...

Know-ism. >> absolutely. >> but the process that goes who gets pulled in to do things -- >> huge difference between being head of video and head of v.a. there are millions who served the nation and are still serving the nation. >> i agree. are we seeing a unique dynamic -- >> around trump. >> -- around trump? or is it in the public sphere where it's being exposed? >> you go back to the guilded age where you had billionaires lending money to the government to bail out the debt and feeling entitled to control what the government does. trump crystallized it in a russian way. >> keith shiller, shi...

In the public sphere where it's being exposed? >> i think we've been building towards, you go back to the guilded age where you had billionaires lending money to the government and feeling entitled to what the government does. we've been building towards this for quite a long time. trump just crystallized it in a russian way. >> shiller is his lifelong sort of body guard. there is this amazing footage of him punching a protester who took a sign outside of trump tower. he comes into the white house, a lot of people were like this guy should not be working in the white house. then he leaves, and...