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Like, have his finger on the pulse certainly for a certain part of american -- >> i think he does. the premise of his argument is illogically wrong. it's a a fallacy. we learned from countless books academic and beyond that have written upon the fact we've learned from the mistake does not justify the president not to take advice from experts in a certain arena. when you're a leader, the expectation, surround yourself with people who know more about a given topic or discipline than you to help better inform your ability to make cognizant decisions, if you will. the president isn't doing that. ...

Sure you know. this is your business. you're not engaging in this, be but people skirt the law. you have been to gun shows. is there anything that the president did today that you support? >> absolutely. the hiring more agents for the atf to enforce the rules that we already have is a great idea. it will take more than 200 to do the job though. he mentioned buying firearms online and having them shuped to your house with no background check and that's wrong. that's a a fallacy. you buy online and it has to be shipped to a licensed dealer like us. >> which is what you do. >> exactly. >> and gun...