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37 minutes between the last time we heard gunshots to now. so the idea of if they thought it was a barricaded situation, or no longer an active shooter, that has now been retriggered. and it will be another half an hour before they make entry. i just want to talk about the victims, right? because i spoke to one of the mothers of one of the kids who survived. and she told me that her son recollects, remembers someone hearing a police officer say hey, you inside? do you need help? and the kid answers back yeah, we re in here. and then the gunman shoots and kills him. so that is happening. now it could have been in this moment. we just don t know. we don t know. and it s very hard to get that kind of specific information out of the children. but i think law enforcement has some idea, because actually, it was fbi forensic. type of ert. who deals with interviewing kids. to try to elicit specific information. that s what s going on. there are more people being shot. t ....
but fresh talks tomorrow between the rmt union and rail bosses. and later in the programme we ll find out more about this live feed of a owl s nest in yorkshire has gone viral around the world. tonight with the context, scotland editor at the spectator alex massie, and democratic stragist mary anne marsh. welcome to the programme. we start in washington, dc. the us committee investigating the january 6 capitol riot has just wrapped up its fourth public hearing. it was focused on the presidential pressure donald trump put states under to overturn the election results. central to this are two battleground states arizona and georgia. joe biden won both by a razorthin margin, and president trump pushed and pushed for those in charge of the counts to overturn the results, claiming the election was fraudulent. much of today s hearing was lead by democrat congressman adam schiff. here is part of his opening statement. anyone who got in the way of donald trump s continued h ....
jake, that call that was on full display today during this hearing was, of course, the hour-long phone call that then-president trump had in january with these election officials in the state of georgia. mainly the secretary of state, brad raffensperger, who you heard from today. and i m told that despite what you saw today, which was the committee playing clips of that call with claims from trump saying thousands of ballots had been shredded or thousands of dead people had voted, and then flashing to raffensperger saying that s not true, we checked that out. that s also not true. trump has continued to defend that call. he has said it was a perfect call. he has told people he assumed it was being recorded. there were attorneys on the line as they were in this hour-lawn call where he alternated between asking for raffensperger to find these votes, thinly veiled threatening him when it came to certain pushback on claims he was making, and despite the fact you heard fro ....
that was mr. giuliani. he said, we have lots of theories. we just don t have the evidence. and i don t know if that was a gaffe or maybe he didn t think through what he said. i said, what would you have me do? and he said, just do it and let the court sort it out. but rusty bowers, the arizona speaker of the house and other election officials were not just facing pressure from the trump team. many also endured harassment and in some cases actual violence from people in their states who believed trump s election lies. listen to this tape from the michigan secretary of state, jocelyn benson. 45 minutes later, we started to hear the noises outside my home, and that s my stomach sunk. i thought, it s me. and then it s just, we don t know what s going the uncertainty of that was what was the fear. like, are they coming with guns? are they going to attack my house? i am in here with my kid. i m trying to put him to bed. so it was that was the scariest moment, just ....
polls. who will succeed joe biden? well, you know, there s no question in my mind that joe biden is doing exactly what needs to be done for this great country of ours. we all know that our democracy is teetering on edge. we need a joe biden to get us through this rough patch. i think he s doing great with that. we know that this forecast includes vice president harris. i support her. and i m just saying that if he chooses not to run again, first on my list after him would be kamala harris. democrats saying it s kamala s time to shine, never mind poor handling of the border. i think she doesn t get to show the personality enough, so people haven t had a chance to know her. most of the media is white and male, and their take on kamala becomes conventional wisdom. joy reid is right. here s the real kamala. i experienced great joy when i watched this brilliant, phenomenal black woman, jurist, be so smart, and just cut through the political gamesmanship that they wer ....