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Get reined in. if god forbid tomorrow you responded to a situation like that, you've got a 6'4" guy, 360 pounds, what are you going to do? >> well, i'll tell you, i would do the same thing. i would. but the police officers out there now, would they? i don't know. they're going to think, maybe i should have a conversation with this guy. listen, the longer you talk to somebody who you place under arrest, all right, the more of a chance there is of you getting injured. there have been police officers killed in the line of duty for minor things that you think, well, you know, why are you bothering...

>> that's a very separate question. same as i said with the indictment. it's one thing to indict. it's a very low standard, probable cause. proof beyond every reasonable doubt is a much higher standard, and a federal civil rights case, the standard stride is a reasonable officer standard. it's the actions of a police officer. because the courts recognized that police officers have to make decisions that we don't have to make. they don't necessarily know if the person who they're arresting is planning on being violent. they don't know if the person has a violent past. there's always kinds of ci...

Initiated by the justice department be predicated on some degree of racial animus, and if so, how might prosecutors cross that things to do item off their list? >> no, i -- there are separate federal statutes that apply to civil rights violations with a racial animus, and those that are not with a racial animus. there are two separate statutes. i think they're code sections 242 and 249. they would not have any indication that i saw or that i've heard of, to indicate either in the ferguson case or in the garner case, this was motivated by race. >> let offer you quickly a theory, before we have ...

His kind go around pointing fingers at the police officers, and second-guessing them, all right, saying they did something wrong when there is no evidence, and the grand jury has said this, and the grand jury knows a lot more about this case than you and i do, and i've been working on this case for four days now, all right? that the police officers acted properly in this case. but there are so many lies out there, all right, that are being spewed out to the public and making the police officers look good and bad. >> i notice something, different, though, about garner and the tamir rice case in...