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Clinton's? what about joe biden? >> about-ism is a very weak and a logical defense. and the particular things that he is saying, what about, have no relevance to his case. jack teixeira, the national guardsmen who has recently been indicted, and the lieutenant colonel from florida, those are cases that are much more like his and indicate that he should be, as they have been, punished for what they did. his, that is trump's crimes, are far worse than what the others did. motive is not an essential element, and there is no comparison to what bill clinton had or his personal tape recordings, not ...

Donald trump had hands were clean. and shortly after trump went on that national town hall and said i packed the boxes myself, i did it, the boxes are mine. this is why lawyers are often -- because they keep pulling their hair out with clients like this. >> jill, talk to me about trump's comparisons to those cases following -- as baseless as they appear on the surface, or they not? is the case of the former air force officer that i mentioned, bircham, is that a more apt comparison than what we've seen trump try to do? or quite honestly, republicans try to do? anytime you mentioned trump, they ...

To minimize the cases involving classified documents, no charges against hillary clinton, no charges against joe biden so far even though he also has a special counsel investigating him? >> yes. so the dismissive way to characterize what i'm about to tell you is to say i'm indulging what about-ism. this story is less about whether or not donald trump is guilty of the alleged crimes, the story is more about whether or not these alleged crimes have warranted prosecution in the past, and we have precedent. we have, for example, joe biden and mike pence where there have not been charges brought fo...

Under the constitution. unlike what donald trump was impeached for, which were not impeachable offenses. but there has to be transparency. that's why i also want the trial of donald trump to be televised. i think hearing should have been televised. we have to know how i just system is operating. half the country doesn't trust our justice system. and the idea that we have probably the most important trial in modern american history, hidden from the public view. well, simply raise the question again. what do they have to hide? you talk about whataboutism? you know, in my book at trump, i have a ...

This pretty quickly. but the political narrative as we already know, katy, is well under way, and in hand of his political opponents who are doing the what-about-ism, who are doing the, you know, the disparate justice, that they're treating biden differently from trump, ignoring, as you put up at one point, the clear comparative facts between, oh, my lawyers found this while we were going through some documents and turned it over within 24 hours, versus a year-long effort that involves subpoenas and fbi agents raiding the president's, former president's home in mar-a-lago. >> republicans will ...