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States. and so the idea that you got termites eating into the confidence of americans and american institutions, whether it's the media, the courts, whether congress is gerrymandered, whether voting suppression is going on, whether the cia or the fbi can be trusted. at some point, you're out there and the floor falls in because you've taken away the confidence of american people in their own institutions. i think it's another example of that. >> van, scott, you know, i had another issue here to talk to you about, but, you know what, it pales in comparison to this. i don't care about ivanka's e...

Nobody has questioned that until now that it's at the level of the president of the united states. and so the idea that you got termites eating into the confidence of americans and american institutions, whether it's the media, the courts, whether congress is gerrymandered, whether voting suppression is going on, whether the cia or the fbi can be trusted. at some point, you're out there and the floor falls in because you've taken away the confidence of american people in their own institutions. i think it's another example of that. >> van, scott, you know, i had another issue here to talk to y...

People -- >> i find it's really interesting that it's getting suppressed. when the main cornerstone of your candidacy was -- >> american people don't like it, chris. >> well, they loved hillary's e-mails. and that was total b.s. and you know it. he pushed -- >> a totally different situation. >> it is not totally different. >> i don't want to pick on secretary clinton and go over those facts. where the e-mail server was and who had access to the server. i don't want to -- >> she used her own domain also, ivanka. it wasn't at gmail. it was her own domain. that means it's her own server. >> first...

That memo? >> it smells to me like the leak came from mcgahn. for some reason, i think he's upset he didn't get a farewell party. the president figured out that he's obviously a disloyal guy -- >> anthony, come on. this is the second time he had to write a memo to the president that we know about saying mr. president, please don't do this, back off, it's crazy, you'll get impeached. don't do it. >> he wasn't -- look, we all know that have worked for the president on the campaign, in the staff, when he's blowing off steam, when he means something. this is some kind of retribution by mcgahn to t...

President on the campaign, in the staff, when he's blowing off steam, when he means something. this is some kind of retribution by mcgahn to the president. the president has obviously figured out that he wasn't 100% loyal to him. >> why would you be 100% loyal to somebody who throws everybody under the bus? >> known leaker inside the white house. and so, and by the way, you know, there was only a couple of people that knew about ivanka's e-mails. okay? and so i just -- >> why? >> -- find it very interesting. we can talk about ivanka's e-mails if you want. i find it very interesting this stuff ...