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The budget, and can get it done because i'm realistic. you just don't make promises like this. why don't we just give a chicken in every pot while we're coming up with these fantasy tax schemes? just cleaning up. where are you going to clean it up? >> and i thought this was interesting that afterwards he was fine with the debate. part of the frustration i think is like okay, you want to talk policy then let's talk policy. but that is not what has been essentially valued thus far in the republican party. >> there was a hilarious thing, though, about kasich as truth teller which is that he has h...

So they're spending a lot of time watching. it's frustrating. here he is on carson and trump's tax fantasy. take a listen. >> these plans would put us trillions and trillions of dollars in debt. i actually have a plan. i'm the only one on this stage that has a plan that would create jobs, cut taxes, balance the budget, and can get it done because i'm realistic. you just don't make promises like this. why don't we just give a chicken in every pot while we're coming up with these fantasy tax schemes? just cleaning up. where are you going to clean it up? >> and i thought this was interesting that...

Six days a week so there is a certain kind of talent there for finding people's sweet spot. >> yes, bullies tend to be talented at that. here's the thing, you've got a situation though and i think if you're making a smart tactical decision by jeb bush, i think there are people that love the idea of people thinking of this race as donald trump and jeb bush. if those are the two alternatives, if that's the choice that's forced on a republican primary electorate, they think they get the bigger half of that. they're probably more worried in longer run terms about kasich and walker and other people...

With obama care. i agree. that's why if you're asking me personally i would say i wouldn't vote for him as the nominee as a gop nominee. but i would like to see him on a ticket to bring ohio. you want to win. you have to put some of your ideology aside. >> he delivers. you need ohio you need florida. what kind of matrix can you put together? that's why there's been a lot of talk about kasich and rubio together in some combination. guys what do you have to add to this? >> there are now 16 candidates. this is a group if they could like do a village's version of "hair" that's how large this has b...

Identifies with voters. one person put it, there is a midwestern bluntness without a northeastern edge about kasich. some people say he can be prickly at times. we'll see you who he sells to voters in new hampshire iowa, and nevada. jon: i remember being assigned covering him working for another network before fox news even launched, he was traveling the country as budget committee looking for everyday solutions to help balance the budget. lo and behold he and other members of congress managed to do that. quite an accomplishment. it hadn't been done in decades at that point. lo and behold he d...