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Salman. so now a third time the president of the united states is taking the word of an autocratic leader. why? >> it is amazing to me how seamlessly these topics thread into what we were discussing earlier with jared kushner's security clearance given over the objections of c.i.a. officials who believe that kushner was susceptible to being kind of molded in ways that they saw fit. we have seen this play out in public, in press conferences with donald trump. the helsinki summit as you laid out and now with respect to otto warmbier. for trump it was enough to say this is what kim jong-un told m...

Justification that than? i mean, it's one of the most loathsome, disgusting crimes that i prosecuted as a u.s. attorney. >> that was a little dum, dum. >> there seems to be this theme that one, he never paints a pretty picture of jared kushner. he is reinforcing over and over on this book tour that jared kushner that jared kushner is influential, but makes bad decisions in chris christie's opinion and he feels clearly that kushner has kept him, chris christie, the one with the good judgments away from donald trump because of his personal beliefs. >> the thing that we have to focus on about kus...

Consolidation. the president is way too involved in legislating. it creates a big problem. >> karen, another quote from the new york times about kushner. his pitch, two democratic lawmakers, he told them he was the one that could land this plane. >> i think it is still circling la guardia. we saw earlier today he thought once flynn was fired the russia investigation would go away. i think he is naive and there are a couple of things that have come out of this this i think we have seen for sure which is running a business is not the same as running government. you can't do it the same way. they...

Let me ask you, the new york times reports that the president's son-in-law was confident he could find a compromise on the shutdown. he has not been successful. the times reports negotiating a dale that would committed to a border wall as well as democrats that have casted prove to be more like his elusive goal and passing a criminal justice overall that had bipartisan support. do you think kushner is out of his league on these negotiations? >> he should put his name on a ballot. it will be the best bet. i have to say this, i think all of the leaders, all of the members of congress, speak aer ...

Still here. matt miller, this seems like something that can prove fertile ground. i had heard from one white house source trey gatti was suspicious enough about the professionalism or sanctity of the process to ask questions himself. now that democrats are in control, this has to be a probe the white house saw coming. >> yes, i think what you see here is elijah cummings, chairman of the house oversight committee, probing the soft underbelly of the white house. what he's been able to get away with was not answering questions about this issue. trey gatti, you're right, did ask questions but when...