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Majority can legislate and fulfill our constitutional responsibilities to hold this president to account. >> julie: chad, i want to ask you first of all about mccarthy's words just now about due process. something that the republicans have been furious about. the fact that the republicans have not been able to go inside those closed-door meetings held by these democrats. the democrats are now hoping to get a vote forward so that they can release the transcripts of those interviews and the testimony. how did testimony go this morning so far, do you know? >> no opening statement from the witness...

Who can actually speak. now, about mccarthy's long had a reputation as well less than a stellar speaker. remember mccarthy created an opening for chaffetz to run when he said last week the house committee investigating the attacks in ben fwaz zi had helped knock hillary clinton's poll numbers down. republicans have spent more a year insisting, like swearing up and down that benghazi's committee, that the work that the committee was doing was not political. and mccarthy went out and painted it in what was essential a political light giving chaffetz the opening he needed to run. so the other dyn...

For the party. it's something people are starting to question, including mr. massey. boehner does not address kevin mccarthy in his statement. he simply asserted this was an investigation done to get to the facts but not for political reasons. we'll see if that is able to tamp down the criticism we've been hearing over the last couple of days here, guys. >> manu raju on the phone giving us the news, john boehner saying the benghazi panel is not political. you heard manu say there's a lot of criticism for mccarthy. now people are wondering if he's the right messenger in the house going forward....

Standing there -- sitting there, looking aat the families behind the witnesses, the families of the lost ones, the ones that were lost there. >> so this is not political. this committee is not political in its origins at all? >> chairman gowdy has no political intentions with this committee. in fact, a lot of partisans have complained he hasn't had more public hearings. he's doing the work behind the scenes. he's not trying to make a circus out of it. he's a real prosecutor and he knows how to do the job and that's collecting the facts. >> congressman massey, hang on. it's interesting you call...

Meeting of the caucus and discuss things. how likely is it that the number two man, kevin mccarthy, will move up and be the speaker? >> i think mccarthy will be the next speaker, and should be. and i think the quicker timing is better. i don't think there's a lot to be gained by dragging it out. >> will mccarthy be the speaker, and is there going to be a change? do you think some of the harder-line conservatives be there? >> i don't think there's any doubt about mccarthy, but the