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That's how it happened. they were told up front long before this happened, because it was their choice. if you want me to help you, i need to have a company license. they said, yes. that's how it happened. >> they knew that you were not licensed? >> definitely. >> i'd say he's a flippin' liar. we would have never agreed to use an unlicensed person or an unregistered person. why would somebody do that? we had just come to this state. we didn't know any of the rules. we relied on paul stickney to keep us wholly and straight. >> despite his claims, this state document shows that birgh founded his...