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Casualties. most stations in the world have had signed treaties so that they don't use them. russia is obviously not one of them. but they kill civilians more than they kill military. >> you have said it's time for nato to get russia to react to it. not nato reacting to russia. what would that look like in your opinion? >> absolutely breonna. there's a number of things that can be done. first, would be for the u.s. and nato to declare russian ukraine as a humanitarian assistance zone. based on this of the ukrainian forces that humanitarian assistance zone for b from east of kyiv all the way do...

And it was impact. because, almost everybody as i said before, has left the city. because we kramatorsk is basically in the middle of a pincers. russian forces to the north, russian forces to the south. this is one of the cities it is believed that the russians will try to encircle, besieged and perhaps in the process, probably, destroy. breonna? >> it's a horrific aftermath there ben wedeman, thank you so much for that report. i do want to bring in cnn military analyst and retired army -- david petare. he is the author of hunting -- sir, let's talk for us about this new general who surged, wa...