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Interests. >> maybe you are not. >> right. >> but that question is there. and that question starts to degrade or doesn't start to -- it has been degrading your decision making or the appearance of your decision making. >> absolutely katy. i think it goes beyond just the word collusion. i think that you nailed -- or hit the nail on head when you talked about the core of what is at the bottom this investigation. which is are donald trump, any of the people in his business or in his family acting on behalf of the interests of the united states or are they not? that's what bob mueller is looking a...

Is at least asking questions about you know that meeting and those activities. it's not clear what came of any of that stuff. and so i think we are just going to have to see on that. as the investigation progresses. >> ben with ettis thank you for joining us. do you have an indication there was this meeting between don jr. and erik prince and george mader and other officials purports to be from foreign governments offering help to the trump campaign? >> no, katy, but it certainly was asked of these individuals. if you go back and read erik prince's transcript you saw that a number of times h...

Obstruction in broad daylight, what are the consequences? >> it is, katy. he is governing the wrong country. he's obstructing an investigation into his campaign where he is potentially a suspect. the consequences of course are removal from office. we are not helpless here. what we should do is make sure that our house intelligence committee fully investigates what happened with the russians and now any other country that sought to help him. and also the house judiciary committee, the other committee i sit on should be able to look into not just his conduct here but other concerning and alarmin...