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violence in the months to come and another january 6th every four years. >> cheney is a very odd figurehead for the movement to prosecute the ex presidents attempted coup in the court of public opinion. she provides an interesting case study for the question, what does a politician do when they want to be part of a political party that doesn't want them? i've covered cheney's political career for almost a decade now. to be honest, i spent much of it viewing her as kind of an object of scorn. i mean, she is a hard right republican and one of the most extreme foreign policy hawks in th...

republican and one of the most extreme foreign policy hawks in the party. before entering politics, the first time she came on my radar screen, she's probably best known for her policy to keep america safe. that levied some pretty disgusting attacks against obama era department of justice officials who had, in private practice before they join the government, defended guantánamo bay detainees. cheney formally launched her political career by trying to carpetbag a wyoming senate seat, despite being born in wisconsin and despite having much of her adult life being spent in virginia. a...

Democracy, all of us. i think of it as people, as victims, and the suffering that we all endured and could well and you are in the future unless we bring people to account who attacked our democracy, attacked law enforcement officers, and in minnesota we got people here who want to jail the secretary of state. we got people here who celebrate the insurrectionists. i believe we need to have victory in the court of public opinion, that rejects this ugly, violent, horrible attack on multiracial democracy. >> that point about victims, i think, is actually concrete ties-ing something for me, which ...

60s, and they want to feel like they're doing something that important. >> i feel it sometimes, a little bit, and nevada that you want to do what they did. and also, it's religion. if you haven't got that, a lot of this is really a new form of religious faith, including the abstractness of it. the idea that you pray to something, signal that you have faith and that that's the action in itself, even if nothing actually happens. i don't mean it rhetorically, it really is a replacement for going to church on sunday and believing strongly in jesus. white understandable, but it's a problem. >> andy...