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With us now democratic senator jim webb from virginia. senator, thanks so much for being with us. >> great to have you on. >> great to be with you. >> looks like you may be getting out of time just in time. things are getting messier there by the day. let's start with the -- >> i won't be far away. >> let's start with the government shutdown. do you think there's going to be a shutdown? >> it's hard to predict actually from where we're sitting on this. i think that the debate over this continuing resolution is clearly a warm-up for a couple of other ones that they're going to have. if you look...

In addition, today the house gop will unveil its budget, the path to prosperity, to ensure that we have a budget that ultimately helps create jobs and puts this nation on a path that no longer borrows 42 cents on the dollar, much of it from the chinese, and sends the bill to our children and grandchildren. >> good morning. we've always said that there's going to be three bites at the apple in the spending fight. the first was going to be the cr resolving the rest of this fiscal year, the next was going to be the bunt, and the final would be the debt limit. we've got two bites at that apple tod...

Across the globe, two years to go deeper in debt? >> no, we can't. i think paul ryan is absolutely right to put this out. you may not agree with all the details of it. somebody has to take it on. he sounds more like a president than president obama. he's willing to take the risk of the political fallout. i don't know if there'll be political fallout or not. >> trying to throw grandmoms out on the street. >> the key reason that pretty much everybody is in bankruptcy is because of health care costs. if you could straight about out one single thing that would straighten out the bunt of new york, ...

In which people are going to say "enough is enough." but unfortunately at the same time they're facing deficits they have to solve. >> my question is politically. if the members of the unions are willing to say, "okay, we'll make these concessions because we understand maybe we haven't been contributing enough and there is a bunt crisdget crisis state." why not take it one step further and say "you cannot bargain period." ed, maybe you want to answer that? >> they have not said you cannot bargain. you can bargain on wages. what they asked for is every year, employees, the question i ask, if i ...

Lindy gas skins believes in taste and learn approach. a panel of medical experts test her products designed to promote brain health. that plus allowing customers to try the products before buying has spurred expansion to eight stores. for more watch "your business" 5 at 7:30 on msnbc. president obama's proposed bunt for 2012 calls for a 45 'em decrease in the small business administrati administration. it remains to be seen how it could affect small business