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Speaking wasn't exactly his strength as a politician, but at the same time, he spent a decade as the top republican in the us senate. what legacy does he leave behind? bob dole's legacy is one of bipartisanship, of service, of selflessness. and, frankly, i think one thing that people will miss about bob dole is he had a very dry sense of humour, he did not take himself too seriously, in an era where american politicians tend to take themselves very, very seriously. and bob dole could be self—deprecating, he could be witty, he could be caustic. and i think we miss that. it's a very authentic ...

It was never enumerated in the constitution that this would be something that would be done at the federal level. and it takes the decibel level, the caustic nature of politics as we see it here in d.c., takes it to another place. >> i understand. you don't believe, though, this should be a baseline protection of a woman being able to have access to abortion. you don't believe there should be any baseline protection for that. >> i think it's a difference, again, without the specificity of this issue, is when you come down to things like this, why you want to nationalize that in, say, your bill...

And bob dole could be self—deprecating, he could be witty, he could be caustic. and i think we miss that. it's a very authentic kind of political speech that we don't get in this country any longer. and when he was diagnosed with advanced lung cancer, president biden visited him at home, a mark of the respect in which he was held on both sides of the political divide. what's been the reaction to his death so far? i think it has been pretty much universal acclaim. republicans and democrats in america don't come together on much these days, but it's been universal acclaim for a life of service...

0 than 8500. fair to say, pam bozanich is not one of them. >> life in prison for those two is just fine. i hope they live a long, long life. this sunday, the fate of roe v. wade. >> life is so precious, and these babies have a chance now. >> the supreme court signals it's ready to allow an abortion ban at 15 weeks. is it going to weaken or overturn roe v. wade? >> is it really an issue about choice? why is 15 weeks not enough time? >> lawyers defending roe argue that fetal viability should remain the standard. >> mississippi's ban on abortion two months before viability is flatly unconstitut...

Everybody would laugh. he had that kind of funny humor that people always appreciated about him. that was something that stood out about bob dole. he -- howie: i've got half a minute, didn't mean to cut you off. is this sort of the previous era, where you could deal with people in both parties as a leader and not have it be as horrifyingly caustic and personal as it is today? >> people thought it was pretty caustic sometimes with bob dole and democratic leaders and juror mitchell and bob byrd. i remember back in '86 with bob dole and robert byrd going on the floor and it was intense as anythin...