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Plank and it didn't help that health care, trumpcare went down in a ball of flames, again. but i don't think we're going to see any of those other people you mentioned walking the plank in the way that secretary, i'm sorry, former secretary price did. >> we'll see what happens if tax reform doesn't go through and then steve mnuchin, his travel might look more interesting. betsy, price did try to reverse the headlines. he tried to sort of clean them up. he offered to pay back $51,887 but not the full cost of the planes. just the cost of his seat. is there any evidence that effort might have mad...

Bad pr from people on fancy planes doesn't pass the lab test. >> he hired a lot of billionaires for people concerned about optics, jonathan and not only -- price is not the only one. but you had kellyann conway from dulles to philly and back, about $25,000. she did that as well. you had steve mnuchin who had his own issues with spending and you had ryan zinke who back in july, who's made trips that were expensive and you had mike pence who, his super bowl trip cost taxpayers about 89 grand. it's not as if price is the only one, nor is he the only big spending billionaire. it had to be somethin...

My understanding is that there was little love lost between price and president trump. these are two very different men. price is southern, very conservative and he's very much in the paul ryan mold when it comes to how public figures present themselves and how they perform their work. meanwhile, donald trump, of course, dispositionally, extremely at odds with that. my sense is that their relationship was never a particularly warm one and then when you couple that with the fact that price became the face of this huge failure to appeal the affordable care act, it actually, this plane crisis was...

An administration that's come in saying they were going to go after waste, fraud, abuse, we can't afford food stamps. can't afford health care. they live high on the hog. did tom price pay the price for living too well on the public dime or your view, was it living too high in the public dime plus health care didn't pass? >> it's that, but also, the other thing you left out, getting bad headlines that reflected poorly on the president. we have a president who cares only about what his headlines are and so a couple of days ago, joy, i tweeted out, let's be clear here. president trump is not ups...

On, and she talked about the u.s. response to haiti. for all the trouble she's saying, i envy that response? >> it's heart breaking, listening to her speak on your show. it's heart breaking. >> thank you so much, rachel, have a great weekend opinion. donald trump says tom price is a good man, and the trump administration is doing a good job responding to the un folding catastrophe in puerto rico. >> i think he's a very fine person. i certainly don't like the optics. >> health and human services tom price has resigned. >> it's the kind of thing that really makes people mad about washington. t...