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The distraction that top republicans tell me if we could talk about immigration, if we could talk about the economy. we might hold on to the house. probably wouldn't, but do better. but their number one best case scenario for the fall is the president stays on message on the economy and immigration. seeing how unlikely that is. inside the white house, a feeling of betrayal from omarosa. nob liked her, respected her. talked how people were actually afraid of her. another really nuer what sknew did. her job was sort of like a joke. people are surprised by how close she's cutting to the bone and ...

White house official and an outside trump adviser. without irony, they go on to note, neither was authorized to speak publicly about private conversations. and according to "the new york times" tonight, quote, the big daily meeting that past administrations have used to keep the white house on message has been scrapped in favor of something smaller. the folks at axios take it a bit further. the white house, they say, leaks so much that meetings called to bemoan leaks begin with acknowledgements the bemoaning will be leaked, which is promptly leaked. here to talk about it, matthew nussbaum, whi...

Reporting on this white house, guests of ours on this broadcast citing upwards of 20 or more sources, all people happy to talk but all people insisting for their own reasons upon remaining anonymous. leaks out of washington often involve private conversations like when chief of staff john kelly called the president an idiot, former secretary of state rex tillerson called him a moron, or when the president himself referred to african nations as you know what countries. most recently, the white house expressed anger over a leak that aide kelly sadler mocked john mccain's failing health during an...

So much that meetings called to bemoan leaks begin with acknowledgements the bemoaning will be leaked, which is promptly leaked. here to talk about it, matthew nussbaum, white house reporter for politico, and jeremy peters, political reporter for "the new york times" and an msnbc contributor. jeremy, what is -- there's usually a reason when an institution or entity leaks. there's all kinds of products to solve it on late-night cable. but what do you think is the reason this institution is leaking? >> i think the reason is fairly simple, and people who work at the white house, current and forme...

Retainer to cover anything that might come up. he writes a check to this woman to sort of get it behind them. rudy guliani was on here earlier to say that there was no acknowledgements of wrong doing or there was any real relationship here, a one night stand, any of the above. this is the kind of thing that those that are successful deal with. does that make sense to you and the president wouldn't know the details? >> well, you know, this is the iss issue. the average american will say what is it like to have someone that thanks care of things for you? that's possible what cohen is supposed to...