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Premiums. that's the thing that hurts americans most. in fact, premiums have gone up, deductions, medicaid has gone up more percentage wise but will this do anything to get premiums and deductions down? >> the theory is that it will. we have some evidence in that the cms actuary, part of hhs but not a nonpolitical party of hhs scored the house bill which is similar but not the same and said that would reduce the growth size of premiums, reduce amount of premiums and so that is a good thing, if you reduce premiums, you don't have to subsidize as much but you never know how these things are goin...

Math gives you something to you straight. i feel something coming on. it might be a torturee tortureed metaphor. this is government equivalent of 10-year-old girl not getting a pony for christmas. she was promised this. it was great to dream about. but at the end of the day they realize they can't afford it, it won't fit in the backyard. kathleen sebelius is the 10-year-old. reality is the parent. >> dana: one of the things that happened was that when they said it was paid for, this was, it gave comfort to lot of conservative democrats on the fence about obamacare anyway but they were told thi...

Problem not a bill that will transpire. they're not up to save money. set up to spend money. >> take them at their word and c.b.o. at its worst and best guest, as you often remind me, that is about administration argument saying if we didn't do it, it would be worse. theco of healthcare -- cost of healthcare in this country, and run away cost of benefit would eventually show startling differences. this is going to be bigger savings than we appreciate or realize because the system we have now is broke and really going to break. >> it's true that the system we have now is broken and needs repair...

Math gives you something to you straight. i feel something coming on. it might be a torturee tortureed metaphor. this is government equivalent of 10-year-old girl not getting a pony for christmas. she was promised this. it was great to dream about. but at the end of the day they realize they can't afford it, it won't fit in the backyard. kathleen sebelius is the 10-year-old. reality is the parent. >> dana: one of the things that happened was that when they said it was paid for, this was, it gave comfort to lot of conservative democrats on the fence about obamacare anyway but they were told thi...