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Understand, i can't even say it with a straight face, speaking of guys we both love. anyway, congratulations on mr. big night in the nation's capital. john, here's the question, what is the equivalent of other presidencies that we have known, and perhaps not quite loved, where is this moment in biden's office, or first term in office? >> right, brian, i just want to say having michael and i on that stage was like the two old guys in the muppets balcony. you would have fit right in, my friend. >> thank you very much. i didn't know where you were going. thank you. >> [laughs] . let me offer a th...

You either are not going up much, or going down a bit, because things just cost more. maybe it's temporary, there's a big debate about that, maybe it's gonna be a long-lasting though. inflation but -- even if it's a little unfair, if it out happens on their watch. so i'd be pretty worried about, that if i were in the biden white house. >> indeed, donna and bill have agreed to stay with us, we're gonna fit in a break here, and coming up when we come back and continue our conversation. we are going to talk about the toxic mood in donna's old workplace, the house chamber, after this week's censur...

You take all of these things and what you see is we have a president who, as you pointed out we might support and try to help when i can, and i consider him a friend, he is trying to do something immensely important for us which is preserve and protect the constitution itself. that may sound overly grand and there may be center-right folks who are rolling their eyes, but it has the virtue, as henry kissinger used to say of being true. and this is a vital, vital moment. i think that the passage of these pieces of legislation have shown that the president and speaker pelosi, and others know what...

I think we just have to remind ourselves that the stakes are different than they have been in recent decades. well, let me be annoying and rewind you to the second to last point you made, about inflation. because, as 41's biographer, no one needs to remind you that the label out of touch is fatal, politically. and a lot of democrats fear that's exactly what's happened. >> it's a great point, it's totally fair. george h. w. bush is a good example here, he's a man who made long term decisions, the budget deal in 1990 that helped lead the rise of gingrich, which is part of the rise of what we're ...

We have seen and we can use this week as a microcosm. one of the things we need to find a way to do is have our common political vernacular be commensurate with the stakes and scopes of the unfolding crisis we are in. this is not 1986 when the president had a good week, a bad week, george mitchell was mad at bob doyle, and someone reported it. this is not that. a fundamental conversation that we've had in this country, i believe from 19 33 to 2017, which was this figurative tension between fdr, reagan where lbj was on one side with fdr in george w. bush was over with reagan and you had ford, a...