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Someone who doesn't look american will be. >> the law specifically said that police cannot use that. examples -- arizona has a terrible smuggling problem. it is speeding or no tail light. you can see it is overcrowded and jammed with people . the driver doesn't have identification. the policemen thinks he is acting evasively. that is reasonable suspicion. that is going to be defined as a group of circumstances and not a person's appearance or shoes or anything like that. >> byron, thanks for coming on with your take on this. >> thanks for having me. >> meanwhile, a woman's home completely demo...

Day, a good guy by the way, a straight shooter. do we have that tape, chris? put that up if you could. let's watch this together. mr. aguilar, i'll bring you in that. >> would you ask that question of her? >> no, the question itself seems judgmental. >> i think that's a good point for you to make. >> then why did she try to answer it? >> rick, that too is an unfair question. >> because i'm putting you in a situation where you may have to criticize your own governor. and i don't want to do that to you. >> thank you. >> he kind of knew what we were getting at there. it's almost like the governor...

They proceed. >> give me some sense of what would constitute that reasonable suspicion? i think as you noted in your -- in your op-ed, that is well established in law. but in this particular chase, a police officer pulls somebody over, in the state of arizona, for an unrelated matter, a traffic stop -- >> yeah. >> -- what happens next? >> well, reasonable suspicion has been defined by the courts as a combination of factors. there have to be several -- more than one factor present. in a traffic stop in arizona, a typical situation might be you have a ford windstar van with 16 people crammed ins...