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The government treated as a foreign institution, something way out somewhere controlled by not even americans, but by the enemies of america, and now they talk about guns that they need to have in hand in case they have to go to work dealing with that government basically with firepower. this language is brand new to me. it seems to me this used to be posse comitatus talk out in idaho. now it's become the normal lingua franca of the republican party. >> first of all, both stockman and paul don't have a clue what's in the 18 or 19 things the president is going to do by executive order. my belie...

Incomplete, let's fix those things because, again, that's where the nra has been. >> governor, you made the point that a lot of the things being talked about, the president will come out with tomorrow. we don't know for sure, but we got a pretty good line with "the new york times" today. look at these. i don't think these are at all authoritarian, as you pointed out. a tougher prosecution of people who lie on their background checks. why would the nra be for people lying on their background checks? >> they should be supportive of that. >> and this other one, research on gun violence. i don't k...

Shows, if that's, you know, with having a database that's incomplete, let's fix those things because, again, that's where the nra has been. >> governor, you made the point that a lot of the things being talked about, the president will come out with tomorrow. we don't know for sure, but we got a pretty good line with "the new york times" today. look at these. i don't think these are at all authoritarian, as you pointed out. a tougher prosecution of people who lie on their background checks. why would the nra be for people lying on their background checks? >> they should be supportive of that. ...

The -- >> in the days of yesteryear. >> in the days of yesteryear, and i think they need to get back to that. >> you know the politics. why have they gone to this rejectionist -- >> i'll be the washington cynic, and the fact is it's fund raising and membership. and you look -- >> is it gun sales? >> absolutely gun sales, ammunition, from ammunition to guns. take that off the table. you still have the slaughter of 20 innocents here. that's what is driving the american people. that's the focus of our community right now is if this can happen in newtown, massachusetts, it's certainly happening in...

Up the mental health reporting. so this is one where the nra is even for it. how is that an assault on anything? >> let's try to get into the mind of some of these yahoos talking like this guy. yaeger is out there saying he's -- this is a so-called apology. let's look at this. you might recall this is last week, this kind of disturbing guy came out and talked about tactical response, about shooting people in response to white house action on guns. well, now he's sort of recanting. here is a bit of his semiautomatic apology. >> i said some pretty volatile stuff, which i apologize for. i do not ...