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>> right now he's facing very low ratings on his handling of the border. and there is kind of a action reaction cycle to the way the american public responds. when trump was impoedsing his ard line policy when he was in office. there was a big backlash against that. biden has tried to unwind many of the policies and polls suggest there's a backlash against it. i have been writing about immigration since the early 1990 ds. and the two north stars i have felt and guided all the way through. americans are pragmatic. they do not believe it is plausible or realistic to deport the 11 million or so u...

Is -- what is driving that? glng we have an action reaction cycle where donald trump is appealing to white racial ceptments more openly since george wallace in 1968 and partly in response and partly in response to the changing nature of the democratic base and coalition. i think the democratic candidates are clearly talking more explicitly about the idea of systemic racism or systematic racism or institutional segregationism than any democratic candidate since really i covered national politics in '84. >> even obama and clinton. >> i think much more than obama or clinton. hillary clinton dippe...