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Fight. when you are talking about no entitlements touched. i didn't hear that from mick mulvaney. i heard let's wait and see what it looks like in the real budget in may. >> two points. first on what we heard from the omb director, i think it's indisputable when you look at the outline of the document, president trump is following through on what he said he would do on the campaign trail, and that's a feather in his cap. you have to give them back. unfortunately one of the things he said he wouldn't do on the campaign trail was reform entitlements, and that's a mathematical necessity. jonah we...

Succumb because the actuaries told him that's the only way you can do it. this is an insurance concept. >> you're absolutely right and that's not a political discussion. if you keep certain elements everybody seems to like how do you pay for it if you're not requiring people to pay in, how are you going to do this? the republican side has talked about certain types of penalties if you will, that's not the correct phraseology. >> credits and tax credits, but again, there are other republicans saying that's not republican orthodoxy, just a wolf in sheep's clothing. >> certain elements of obamaca...

Fight. when you are talking about no entitlements touched. i didn't hear that from mick mulvaney. i heard let's wait and see what it looks like in the real budget in may. >> two points. first on what we heard from the omb director, i think it's indisputable when you look at the outline of the document, president trump is following through on what he said he would do on the campaign trail, and that's a feather in his cap. you have to give them back. unfortunately one of the things he said he wouldn't do on the campaign trail was reform entitlements, and that's a mathematical necessity. jonah we...

So, it makes it very hard to say preserve protections for people with preexisting conditions. it's a popular piece of the law. it's something republicans say they want to keep. fiscally it's almost impossible to keep together if you want to fundamentally take this apart. they can repeal it with 51 votes in the senate. they can't put it back together without 60. that's the fundamental problem. >> democrats say they won't support that. i remind everybody, barack obama didn't like the mandate. he didn't like the idea that everyone had to pay for it until he was convinced by the actuaries and math...

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