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Jaycee due guard is the one who taught me the most about how offensive for many victims it can be to consider that they actually fall in love with their captors. it's an adaptation process, there are components that we all understand that are in the so called stockholm syndrome, but really that's so important to remember that people do what they need to do to survive, and to call it love, anything like a maternal healthy or paternal healthy relationship is erroneous. that's my input on that. >> from all your work with jaycee dugard and many others, what is the best advice you could give these ...

Understandably so, it's a complicated thing. what makes somebody stay in a situation that maybe they have an opportunity at times to get out of? i mean, what is it? >> that's another -- you're hitting questions true to my heart. the press called stockholm syndrome. there are variables you see across the bored. frankly, there is about four or five that frequently show up. we like to -- and when i see we, those of us who work in the trenches with these guys and like to call it adaptation process. >> adaptation process. >> adaptation process because you adapt to survive and the human spirit is in...

An opportunity at times to get out of? i mean, what is it? >> that's another -- you're hitting questions true to my heart, and we have the press called stockholm syndrome. there are variables you see across the bored. frankly, there is about four or five that frequently show up. we like to -- and when i see we, those of us who work in the trenches with these guys and like to call it adaptation process. >> adaptation process. >> adaptation process because you adapt to survive and the human spirit is incredibly strong, and the human will to -- and i get so passionate so excuse me. the human will...

Suffered. hard to say i'm recommending that we burn people and put member in hospital but it does have some positive contrast. when bad things happen to me right now i put them in a much bigger perspective thinking these are small bumps in the road nothing to take seriously because i have the contrast of how miserable life could really be. >> john: on the flip side you talk to lottery winners and they think if i win life is perfect and no more money worries and happy for a week or a month and then a year later very little difference. >> we call these the hedonic treadmill. when it you look at ...