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Understandably so, it's a complicated thing. what makes somebody stay in a situation that maybe they have an opportunity at times to get out of? i mean, what is it? >> that's another -- you're hitting questions true to my heart. the press called stockholm syndrome. there are variables you see across the bored. frankly, there is about four or five that frequently show up. we like to -- and when i see we, those of us who work in the trenches with these guys and like to call it adaptation process. >> adaptation process. >> adaptation process because you adapt to survive and the human spirit is in...

An opportunity at times to get out of? i mean, what is it? >> that's another -- you're hitting questions true to my heart, and we have the press called stockholm syndrome. there are variables you see across the bored. frankly, there is about four or five that frequently show up. we like to -- and when i see we, those of us who work in the trenches with these guys and like to call it adaptation process. >> adaptation process. >> adaptation process because you adapt to survive and the human spirit is incredibly strong, and the human will to -- and i get so passionate so excuse me. the human will...