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To voter suppression or >> he told the truth about a quid pro quo. intimidation and make sure it >> everyday we are reporting on does not happen. this, somebody else is going to testify. is that different this time? >> yes, and in a way that we but, i think the risk i also had that in watergate. there were people who knew things who came forward. is -- facebook was not around we had deep throat who was back then. in the modern day and given of turned out to be an fbi person. course the political debate is who told the press what was always angry and aggressive and politician saying half truth ...

An investigation has very unnerving echoes in the kind of strong man states we've seen across the world. >> absolutely. although, you know, i think that it's important to understand about trump and actually about other autocrats although trump is an aspiring autocrat is they actually believe that the entire world is corrupt. >> yes. to their core. >> to their core. i mean just as corrupt as they are. they can't imagine it's any different than what they have experienced of themselves. so, you know, everything else loses meaning. investigation becomes a weapon. >> right, because there's no such ...

It's important to understand about trump and actually about other autocrats although trump is an aspiring autocrat is they actually believe that the entire world is corrupt. >> yes. to their core. >> to their core. i mean just as corrupt as they are. they can't imagine it's any different than what they have experienced themselves. so, you know, everything else loses meaning. investigation becomes a weapon. >> right, because there's no such thing as some noncorrupt people and corrupt people and investigators who adjudicate, it's all just this struggle for power. >> right, it's the word against ...

Is long, long gone and maybe only the institution remains. >> really quickly. i'm curious from a lawyers perspective. how hard is it to prosecute a case decades old? i understand the importance to be able to come forward and say it this. when you legally get into the courts and try to adjudicate, how hard does that become? >> they are all arbitrary and completely drawing an imagery line in the sand that says at this time, evidence is too stale and unfair to ask a defendant to defend itself or institution to defend itself because the evidence is not reliable. it recognizes at some point, defend...

About can trump do it, i'm not waiting for him to be courageous politically or anything else. i think it will be different when we see different from the people. we learned the hard way that polls don't vote. so we can talk about the fact that 90% or more of the people across this country want common sense gun reform, we have to see it. there is no doubt in hong kong how people feel about china's influence and they are showing it every day. we need more people, not just after an incident, but more people on a consistent basis to show it with their voices, with their presence. that they're not ...