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Decides he wants to represent himself, the unpredictability, i would think it would be near impossible to mount an effective defense in addition to all the stuff you were saying given the reputation, the history and so forth, so i'm not surprised and i think the real question is not whether it affects lawyers but more broadly, how are you going to recruit the best and brightest coming into this administration given in overhang and so many people have left washington diminished. >> the one thing john meacham a lawyer can't put up with is being lied to when it's you and your client in the board ...

Big question mark even during the transition. a lot of people wondering whether he was doing work to get funding for 666 or whether he was doing work for the united states of america. you could list a thousand other conflicts that people brought up to you and me in realtime during the transition in the early months of the administration and here we are. i guess the only news is that this is no news at all, it's just not surprising these questions are being raised. >> no, and it's been since day one, whether it's the security forms that had to get stated and restated, whether it's foreign gover...

Violations of criminal laws or federal ethics regulations surrounding two loans totaling over half a billion dollars to the family business of presidential son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner. kushner's companies received loans from an arm of apollo global management and citigroup after kushner held white house meetings with leaders of those companies. the office of government ethics confirmed to a democrat on the house oversight committee that the white house counsel's office had started to review potential violations. the white house didn't respond to a request for a comment from the...

Bounds. >> and ted olson, i think he told david corn, this has nothing to do with conflicts. these lawyers can get around conflicts to represent the president of the united states. this is just -- it's just the fact that nobody wants to represent this president. so what was behind ted olson's decision. >> ted olson isn't going to talk about his individual decision and he's very careful, even careful with david corn who is in the green room right there outside our show when they chatted because that's what lawyers do, they don't talk about their individual decisions. but it's very clear he is c...

Least 22 other nations have expelled more than 100 russian diplomats from their respective countries. this comes in response to russia's recent poisoning of an ex- spy in the united kingdom using an extremely to beic ne e nerve -- toxic nerve agent. it is the largest expulsion of russian personnel ever by the united states. in addition, the trump administration ordered the closure of the russian consulate in seattle which senior administration official says is near a base that houses u.s. nuclear submarines. moscow will respond by expelling quote, no less than 60 american diplomats. russia's u...