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Same time. cheney wasn't actually upset being in. he seemed to be at home with it. not saying that he liked war but he rel ishld the experience of fighting it and he seemed to like this notion that it would never end and that it was an existential threat k. he talked about the terrorism threat from al qaeda as if it threatened america's very existence. everybody began to talk like that. the idea there would be bombs dropped, nuclear weapons. the idea we would be facing 9/11s every other weekend. this thing seemed to be totally out of proportion to what we faced. >> and, of course -- of course ...

Just that he seemed to relish the experience of fighting it and he seemed to like this notion that it would never end and that it would be an existential threat. as if it threatened america's very existence. that got into a blood system where everybody began to talk like that. the idea there would be bombs dropped with nuclear bombs. the idea we'd be facing 9/11s every weekend. this was out of proportion to what we faced. >> of course it led to such excesses of waterboarding and torture. you know, i think the comment you just played from the aei speech which was eight years or so after 9/11 in...

Like that. the idea there would be bombs dropped with nuclear bombs. the idea we'd be facing 9/11s every weekend. this was out of proportion to what we faced. >> of course it led to such excesses of waterboarding and torture. you know, i think the comment you just played from the aei speech which was eight years or so after 9/11 in which he said there are no half measure, all or nothing, shows the mindset. the world doesn't tend to work in all or nothing terms. i think what the president was doing yesterday, i liked the word you used at the beginning, chris, was putting this in perspective. ev...