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Under bush/cheney, especially cheney, the country was forced into a war against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and posed neither a strategic nor an existential threat to us, a war cheney justified as if it did. we were on a war footing. that was the national mindset the neocons and fellow hawks knew they could justify everything from torture, to war, to propaganda, manufactured, of course, in the vice president's office as well. remember that? the aluminum tubes? the notion that saddam hussein had a mysterious airplane that would deliver nuclear bombs on america. dick cheney sold t...

Secondly, he has properly put forward the obama doctrine which is a shift to the counterterrorism doctrine. to be very specific, not nation building. we're focusing our efforts on nation building here at home. chris, you know why that's important? look what happened last night in the state of washington. a bridge collapsed. look what happened 5 1/2 years ago in minnesota. a bridge collapsed and 13 people were killed in minnesota. there are 75,000 bridges that are structurally deficient in our country. are we waiting for your kids or my kids to be killed? it's time to start nation building here...

Like that. the idea there would be bombs dropped with nuclear bombs. the idea we'd be facing 9/11s every weekend. this was out of proportion to what we faced. >> of course it led to such excesses of waterboarding and torture. you know, i think the comment you just played from the aei speech which was eight years or so after 9/11 in which he said there are no half measure, all or nothing, shows the mindset. the world doesn't tend to work in all or nothing terms. i think what the president was doing yesterday, i liked the word you used at the beginning, chris, was putting this in perspective. ev...

My kids to be killed? it's time to start nation building here at home. start bringing the troops home from afghanistan. refocus our efforts on the true threats but most importantly on nation building here at home. and not continuing this military industrial complexion that bush and cheney started. >> well said. thanks for coming on. patrick murphy, couldn't agree with you more. david corn, thank you, sir. coming up, where is the irs scandal going from here? big question, actually. open question. the official overseeing the mess had been removed from duty. the acting director has been forced ...

His generation's war in vietnam, you know, he got four deferments and said he had other things to do, better things to do. now, let's be straight. he took us from focusing on bin laden in afghanistan to an unnecessary war in iraq. and especially this weekend, on memorial day, when we look at 4,400 american lives killed in iraq. 58,000 american lives lost in vietnam. we need to make sure that we're being tough and smart when we talk about the true threats to our country. >> over nearly a decade dick cheney has been incapable of recalibrating his decision on how america deals with the threat of ...