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To a certain extent, president obama created this situation by being hesitant, and with their indifference, and when you draw a line in the sand you have to defend your word, your credibility, and the president has not done that. >> president obama talked about the red line being crossed and regime change and getting rid of assad and this week john kerry saying an unbelievably small strike. what message does that send from the american military, never mind anything else? >> the problem is, things have changed a great deal. when this started out, as bill richardson said earlier, the general was...

But the bulk of fighting is being done by other al qaeda affiliated. things changed dramatically. although i supported the p when he called to go to congress, which i thought was a good move, i actually think that armed intervention would be dangerous because i don't think we want to pick sides. imagine a government over throwing assad having al qaeda in it on the boarder of israel -- >> if you don't take any action -- let me ask you this, tom ridge. if you don't take any action having said my red line is the use of chemical weapons. if you as the leader of the united states of america then do...

Affiliated. things changed dramatically. although i supported the president when he called to go to congress, which i thought was a good move, i actually think that armed intervention would be dangerous because i don't think we want to pick sides. imagine a government over throwing assad having al qaeda in it on the boarder of israel -- >> if you don't take any action -- let me ask you this, tom ridge. if you don't take any action having said my red line is the use of chemical weapons. if you as the leader of the united states of america then don't do anything when somebody crosses that line, ...

>> right. >> republicans on the right or liberals on the left. >> that's stunning. >> and obama's not making a case about our long-term strategy in the middle east. >> what we're learning in syria is the enemy of the enemy is still our enemy. we saw secular leaders saying they would quit if they don't get to work with al qaeda affiliated terrorists. a lot of the american public has no interest in that. >> dana, real quickly here, the president and secretary of state have both said they have this hard evidence that syria has used chemical weapons. we've seen the videos. is it that the american ...

When you degrade assad, you are benefiting the opposition groups. i think that the bulk of that energy right now is with sunni supremacists and al qaeda affiliated terrorists. it is difficult to kind of figure out where everybody is on this. there was a quote that you had given when we were evaluating libyan opposition. you said we didn't know who people were in eastern europe either. we don't always know who they all are. i think that you have to kind of have a sense of the course of history and what they're fighting for. is that pretty much -- do you stand by that quote and kind of difficult...