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One, 232 years it has taken for the possible nomination of a black woman. it will make history in this country when it comes to the potential nomination of a black woman to the supreme court. talk to me about your reaction to that. >> well, i have to say, thanks for having me, i have to say i agree with your comments a few minutes ago, which is that it was essentially a prerequisite that you be a white man before you could be nominated for the supreme court. so this idea that when joe biden has decided to essentially, you know, sort of one-up ronald reagan and pledge to nominate a black woman,...

Selections perhaps or give us some tea leaves to read, he hasn't done that yet. >> if there's anyone that will give it the old college try, i know it's you, out there on the lawn. leigh ann, we know now this meeting between the president and these senators has wrapped up. reactions so far from the hill, did we learn anything new? >> well, we got a statement from one of the people at that meeting, senator dick durbin, and he said that in the meeting they talked about how senator durbin wants the process to be both fair and timely, and that the nominee will receive a prompt confirmation. but thi...

Been the same, they would have checked all the boxes of the left, so this is not really a critique of judge ketanji brown jackson, so much as the process, the process beholden, like joe biden is, to a far left agenda with dark money controlling what the president dollars, so this is not the way to pick justices and the system needs to change, tucker. >> tucker: by the way, the system is built on faith. we follow supreme court directives not because they or someone in our living room think on making us but because we believe it is real and who is going to believe that now? >> this really does u...

>> first and foremost, because we've never had one. >> when thurgood marshall became a supreme court justice, evrything changed. so what we want to see is someone who can bring her legal acumen and her lived experience to those conversations and to those deliberations. >> the reality is we actually think that the absence of a black woman on this court is an abject failure, frankly. >> reporter: but what do you say to people who say, "this is just an affirmative action pick"? >> it's an interesting argument, because in this country, the people who benefit most from affirmative action are white ...

>> yeah, i had the -- i made the mistake of thinking that when republicans initially started signalling that they were going to call judge jackson unqualified or an affirmative action pick, but then backed off of that, that they wouldn't take this base attack culture war, often racist approach to the questioning, and i was proven very, very wrong. this was not about judge jackson. it was not about her qualifications, which are exemplary. it was about a certain number of republicans who were bent on willie hortoning her, treating her as soft on crime, someone who calls babies racist and just th...