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To court through the justice department to force you to testify and it's that piece that i think mr. whitaker has been trying to avoid. he had the questions in advance. he could have affirmatively or formally asserted executive privilege and that way i think he's just kind of hedging a little bit to make -- to try to on the one hand comply with it, on the other hand not be in a position to be forced to actually disclose this information. he's also under an obligation to tell the truth which i think in all things trump these days has to be a concern for any witness that's had a relationship wit...

A long time ago, he was a young man. i wouldn't want my past being investigated like this. where does it end? >> well, i mean, the only thing i can say the way i think about these things, you know, i would distinguish between perhaps somebody who did something when they were 15 years old and 16 years old and somebody who was in their late 20s who was a grown adult. and also this happened in 1984. this wasn't 1954. in addition to that, he never brought it up before. it may have been different if he had affirmatively come forward at some point in the last 35 years and said, look, this happened, ...

Distinguish between perhaps somebody who did something when they were 15 years old and 16 years old and somebody who was in their late 20s who was a grown adult. and also this happened in 1984. this wasn't 1954. in addition to that, he never brought it up before. it may have been different if he had affirmatively come forward at some point in the last 35 years and said, look, this happened, i messed up. you know, i'm a different person now. i see that this was wrong. instead, a journalist had to go find this in a library of that medical school. otherwise, we wouldn't even know about it. and so...

Silly on its face and not worthy of a response. >> so, shawn, was that an ominous response to you? >> this is really interesting, because this is an opportunity for the secretary to simply say, these stories are not true. the president did not do these things. but instead he says the idea that he was a threat to national security, you know, is crazy. well, what he's doing there is he's saying, look, i know what things are that are threats to national security, and what i can tell you what i know of, what's happening behind the scenes, is not a threat to national security. that's a real concern...

Noise and as you mentioned, those conspiracy theories blowing up yesterday. general flynn himself blew them up. he went into court and he said of course i knew lying to the fbi was a crime and i continued to admit my guilty in this case. >> and the judge made him, mike, do that over and over again, basically repeat several times that he was guilty, that he lied to the fbi. >> joe, yesterday was a terrific day for the united states of america and the systems of government that still work, including the federal judiciary system and judge emmet sullivan. as you indicated, having general flynn, a ...