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>> tucker: you write that michelle obama was not his first choice for a wife. explain the criteria he used to make that decision. on who to marry. >> from 1986 through 1991, brock had a very intense, important, formative relationship with a woman who was half dutch, half japanese. a wonderful woman, woman who like myself as an academic, a scholar. journalists never discovered her back in 2007-2008 but anyone could have by working into the library of university of chicago and who else lived at barack's address. but it's not just her. his closest friend in law school, rob, who helped him write a...

The boss stepping in? >> sure. if you ever played on any sports team ever, you know when you win the tensions between people don't matter as much. when you lose, they're right there front and center. so, yes, if you would have had a bunch of victories here, you might have. i would say, though, that it is important to remember donald trump formative experience is building a show with mark burnett called "the aprends." what did he show in that show that is created in his vision? have a boardroom situation in which a lot of different voices were arguing one against the other and he came in and wa...

Try to understand who's doing - this, and also, it's important when this comes around, programs that deal with american citizens, that are sensitive programs, and create a lot of privacy concerns. not only here in the u.s., but with our allies across the world. so, this is, i think, a heightened issue. because this is not just political strategy. this is, this is tactics, techniques, and procedures when it comes to the intelligence community and it deals with american citizens. so i think that's something that is a big issue. >> people keep talking about comparisons to watergate. carl bernstei...

They do it at their own peril. this is a natural movement that's only going to keep going. they would do well to pay heed to what's happening on the ground. >> let's talk about the immigration ban. a setback for the white house. president trump's plans. do you think this was a defeat? what deuce the white house doing? appealing to the supreme court taking their losses and writing a new executive order? >> absolutely it was a humiliating defeat. we're going to have to see what he does. i think he goes back to the lower court. they're talking about rolling another executive order next week. the ...

We fear death. for me and my experience of collateral beauty, you know, the character was dealing with the loss of his daughter, i was in real life dealing with the loss of my father. i had an opportunity while i was preparing the character to talk to my father about these concepts. so this was a hugely formative and transformative filmmaking experience for me. so what i'm hoping, when audiences go in, they can feel that and that there's some aspect of it that can be helpful for anyone who is in the process of facing what for most of us is the ultimate tragedy. >> i saw you in her eyes when sh...