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During that time that would capture audience they were looking to capture and be more an formative to the american people. martha: i'm not sure why, you know one thing about benghazi that baffled me, why wouldn't everybody on both sides of the political fence want to know what happened? why would they not want to know? >> right and i think -- martha: go ahead, katy. >> she did during the interview with howard kurtz she did pinpoint a lot of issues when her stuff was not getting on the air across the spectrum with very serious situations and very serious scandals facing the obama administration...

Most formative political years was sitting this far away from dan pfeiffer in the white house communications director in south dakota, 2002. most democrats lost the re-elections, working for a senator tim johnson in a red state. the reason we won that year was because culturally conservative farmers and ranchers voted for our senator because he was against nafta, and because he was sticking up for social security and won on economic populism issues. my big lesson, especially in red states, democrats need to embrace bold economic populism if they want to win. if they muddy down that message, th...

From his 8 by 7 foot prison cell on robben island where he spent decades of his life nelson mandela not only inspired people of south africa to emancipate themselves from a brutal system of apartheid his struggle inspired generations of future leaders throughout the world. in that way mandela lives on as a symbol for freedom, grace and humanity. joining me from san francisco is former president and ceo of the naacp ben jealous. thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks, alex. >> we're doing a lot of reminiscing. in terms of personal history how did you learn of mandela and how formative was his...

To him. it was important symbolically. he understand he was himself the son of a kenyan coming back as a united states senator, that was still a big accomplishment. and i could see back when i saw him in the cell looking around, the enormity of this timeline. and again because it was his political awakening, you can see that direct link between what happened to mandela on robben island where he spent so many years. he said it was formative for him. he said that's where he got his views about you can't be imbitered by these experiences. i think were lessoned that were learned as obama developed...

Brigadier general who saw combat in vietnam. dawkin is a grade iridiron lege. his room is number 411. >> what i would want and what i think most of the people whose names are on these roofs would wish for, is for people to understand how potent, how powerful, how formative, our time at the military academy was in fashioning the people that we came to be. >> i was amazed at the history that i didn't know. some very private letters that are now hanging in some of those rooms. and conversations. and you really get a sense of the person. >> >> reporter: the rooms are not only dedicated to our nati...