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>> that is critical to everyone. >> mayor, they oppose it. you guys are for it. i'm asking where are the fors out there? why aren't you making the case with the public? look at these numbers. >> it's not making the case. the public is on our side. we don't need to make the case. >> that's why we're on your show today. >> okay. where's the heat? >> we're on your show today to make the case. >> senator, i don't want to attack the ones who show up, but you're shows up -- okay. >> we're going to be saying -- thank you. >> which unions are making the most noise? who's out there making the biggest c...

Families to be treated equally. dignity and to obtain economic rights. we must do this as a country. >> let me ask you while i have you, today a federal judge cleared the way for detroit to go bankrupt and ruled that pensions of city workers can be cut as part of that bankruptcy. what is your reaction as the international president of afscme? >> it's a dark day in the city of detroit. it's a dark day for the retirees who have worked 30 and 35 years, given their life to public service in that city. retirees who on average making $19,000 a year are now exposed to potential cuts in their benefits...

>> it's no question that the unions are taking a big hit here. the news recently what that the kenosha teacher's union was decertified after missing a key deadline in that process. that was big news. ken northern should was seen as a union stronghole and that's being again on across the state. you have seen the wisconsin education association union has lost half of its members. since 2010, afscme saw its members fall. the milwaukee journal sentinel reported it's seen members fall from 9,000 in 2010 to 3500 in 2012. so this is affecting union finances and morale. >> afscme is the association of...

The president woodward's column was a game changer this week. the president now owns sequestration. it is fact. republicans should withstand the heat in the coming days and coming weeks and then after it happens need to get out of this town and go on offense and explain that they had two options. accept more tax increases which is bad are for the country and they are not going to do that or allowed spending cuts. they weren't done the way they proposed them but it was abouter than raising tax increases. let me make the point with all of the governors here in town today the republicans have a g...

The president woodward's column was a game changer this week. the president now owns sequestration. it is fact. republicans should withstand the heat in the coming days and coming weeks and then after it happens need to get out of this town and go on offense and explain that they had two options. accept more tax increases which is bad are for the country and they are not going to do that or allowed spending cuts. they weren't done the way they proposed them but it was abouter than raising tax increases. let me make the point with all of the governors here in town today the republicans have a g...