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Number one, i don't think, by the way, that this was the debate that ron desantis wanted or that he needed. he felt like he was an afterthought by the end of the debate. yes, vivek came in very, very strong, but you saw his weaknesses later on when nikki haley took him down. i thought nikki haley overperformed. i mean, she was impressive. she was the adult in the room. she was the adult in the room on spending, on abortion, on ukraine. mike pence overperformed. but let's be honest, they were not appealing to the viewers of the bulwark or "morning joe." it was vivek who knew the maga world war,...

Hammer vivek ramaswamy, defend trump from chris christie. >> one of them is tried and true, attack biden in the media, and i get that. the notion that you would go after someone who would be an afterthought in the race. >> he might be the next prime time host and to jonathan's point, he's actually doing interesting stuff, not to do. >> he's the one candidate that's not like the others, and it is -- >> but fundamentally then the challenge becomes if you actually want to take out the king, you have to take out the king. >> right. >> so this will be the opportunity for ron desantis and for anyone...

You look at the progression we've made. it's gone from zero to thousands. and now coulthard. oh, yes. by 1995, england reached the world cup but women were still very much an afterthought. well, hey, look at the size of the shirt, because we had to wear the men's shirts. it was in this tournament that she scored england's first ever women's world cup goal. she went on to become the first lioness to reach 100 caps. the footballers of today, they're now professional. you know, they don't have to go to work and play. have said, no, no. but it's finally happened. and that's still the legacy of not...

I think that is a fair question. perhaps that is a misstep of the president. i think that you nailed it. there's a sequence here. he is waiting for the indictment and the arrest until the next day because then, who is going to remember anything that was said the night before? donald trump, what we do know, he knows how to own a cycle and he puts issues in front of the country that simply have to be covered, right? the former president is being arrested and arraigned in a significant criminal trial, in georgia, that has to be covered. whatever happens on the debate stage the night before really...