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His watch. now we have a dr. jackson -- i don't know much about him. i hope -- i hope he has the skills that dr. shulkin had. again shulkin being a physician but also sophisticated in how health care systems operate and doing a very good job implementing choice and making sure veterans had options outside of the v.a. system. 36% of veterans are being cared for outside of the v.a. they're being cared for through choice or other care in the community programs and i want to see that trend continue. >> do you want there to be privatization of the v.a.? >> well, what i believe -- katie, we need to ...

A very divided country because people voted for trump because people wanted a change and they are willing to take that risk because they wanted change so badly. >> let's talk about the president's choices. ronny jackson to head the v.a. and the rear admiral also the president's physician. do you think that he's qualified to lead a giant agency, one in such turmoil? >> well, let me first say something about dr. shulkin. i worked with him during the obama administration and now during the trump administration. it is a big loss. the man is very competent. he's from the philadelphia region and wel...