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Go to aa 12-step recovery. or we pay sometimes, whether it's health insurance, or it's for medicaid, right, a recovery program, a treatment program is 28 days of this specific type of treatment. >> and sometimes those treatment centers have aa within those treatment centers. >> often they do, right? >> by the way, that's illegal. to be sentenced to aa is against the law. it's a violation of the first amendment. and in the ninth circuit court of appeals. two giant cases -- >> i'm sure you know, too, that the psychiatrists who came out with a book against aa -- >> quoted in the piece. went to ha...

Treatment. >> and sometimes those treatment centers have aa within those treatment centers. >> often they do right? >> by the way, that's illegal. to be sentenced to aa is against the law. it's a violation of the first amendment. and in the ninth circuit court of appeals. two giant cases -- >> i'm sure you know too, that the psychiatrists who came out with a book against aa -- >> quoted in the piece. went to harvard. >> he said alcoholism is not a disease, and if you do nothing it will get maybe better on its own comparatively. >> empirical data will say that. >> there is also research that ha...