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Just like the national anthem and here is mike huckabee talking more about that. >> there are issues in this country that ought to be addressed. and there have been real problems in this country of division and racism is real, let's not kid ourselves. i think we have come a long way since i was a little kid growing up in the south. martin luther king jr. used nonviolence and he used his christian faith to shame people into realizing he was right. 40, 50 years after the civil rights 50's or 60's does anybody celebrate bull conner? are there any streets named after him? absolutely not. every cit...

Kristol. but here's my take away from the interview. he sounds very establishment like. you know, read the totality of that interview and you hear a guy who says, can i work with paul ryan to advance donald trump's agenda? oh, yeah, reince priebus and the rnc and i thought, boy, this is not the guy any longer from the outside throwing stones towards the establishment. very quickly, he's a part of the process now. >> just point of claur fiction as you well know, michael. breitbart is not just about tone. that is an agenda machine that ignores fact and creates a lot of stories and narratives. it...

Difference is breitbart isn't like -- breitbart is not "the new york times," mike. it's an agenda machine. >> no, no. >> and if it's putting it out, bannon is behind it. he runs it like it's his own vehicle. everybody knows that. but make your point, bill. >> but, but much of the campaign after mr. bannon came into the campaign was very reflective. the aggressiveness on so many issues. the allowing of social media to get a little out of hand. i mean let's don't forget the fact, i concede that having chaired al gore's campaign in 2000 i understand the electoral college rather well. al got 500,0...