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Mother-in-law, mr. kramer said they cannot understand this movement toward victimization. they are pioneers of the pray ri. these are tough people whose grandparents were tough and great grandparents were tough. do you think the me too movement, does it resonate the same in major metropolitan areas like new york city, like chicago, like boston? does it resonate the same way in places like that as it does in other parts of the country? is there some sort of geographic divide? >> i can't imagine there's a geographic divide. this is about people's personal relationships to sexual violence. this i...

Divisions synced up with party. and that's when i call the book "the red and the blue" people can feel those terms red and blue have been with us together. they haven't. they're about 20 years old. election night 2000. saw the closest thing to a tie election. bush/gore, 537 votes in florida. and that map held through the 3 # days of that recount. the country was staring at it trying to figure out how we got this divide and colors told the story. the entire south was red. the northeast blue. the pacific coast blue. interior was red. the first time that people spoke of red as a republican color,...

Do you believe that's why they ramp up their opposition to president trump? >> i think there is a small group of conservatives based in washington and new york who are completely out of touch with what's happening outside. their focus is internal. their power, position and prestige. out here, you came out to california and there are people outside the beltway who are conservative who have a different focus. our focus is actual change. howie: i think it's more than geographic. this column seethes with contempt for the never trumpers on the right. why would you not accept they believe the presid...

Some zillionaire. do you believe that's why they ramp up their opposition to president trump? >> i think there is a small group of conservatives based in washington and new york who are completely out of touch with what's happening outside. their focus is internal. their power, position and prestige. out here, you came out to california and there are people outside the beltway who are conservative who have a different focus. our focus is actual change. howie: i think it's more than geographic. this column seethes with contempt for the never trumpers on the right. why would you not accept they ...

Traumatized. >> that is -- i mean, part of learning that there are parents who are being deported without their kids. i mean, that's the u.s. government taking kids from their parents, keeping them. >> that's right. >> and forcibly sending the parent away. >> that's right. >> and there does not -- as far as we know, reporting from the "new yorker" today suggests there is no -- it's not that things are falling through the cracks or there's a patchwork system here that's not always working. it seems like there is no process for reuniting parents and kids once they're separated. is that true? >> ...