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A lot of -- here's the stat that i think explains the evolution of politics better than anything else. go back to 1988. michael dukakis got wiped out in a landslide loss. a solved victory for barack obama. he wins 690 counties. the gentlemen graphic share shrinks that much that in a big win they lost ground. >> if em democrats don't want to concede, that geographic is destiny. if they want to roll that stone up that hill, is this the way to do it, to try to be strategic about winnable seats, to try to flip legislatures in a way that's advantageous? >> absolutely. it's a longer-term question an...

He wins 690 counties. the gentlemen graphic share shrinks that much that in a big win they lost ground. >> if em democrats don't want to concede, that geographic is destiny. if they want to roll that stone up that hill, is this the way to do it, to try to be strategic about winnable seats, to try to flip legislatures in a way that's advantageous? >> absolutely. it's a longer-term question and the best news for democrats on that front is, look, in 2010, which is the legislatures that were seated is a result of the 2010 election. it was an off-year election and a mid--term election with a democr...

Themselves that get people to come out to vote. >> hillary clinton will be in cuyahoga county, really strongly democratic. donald trump was in delaware county, the county next to franklin county, republican. >> right. >> so should they be campaigning at those particular places or should they be doing something different? >> the thing that's interesting about it, you think about what the presidential election is all about. it's really all about the swing voters and swing counties and swing states. it's about moving small numbers of people and they both have identified critical states. critical ...

Done, we have to have more freedom, there were so many other ways for him to go. because syria did have institutional structures. they were repressive on a lot of the people in the country, but they did exist. now, though, we have territory that is controlled by not just isis but other terrorist groups. we have assad with the help of the iranians and the russians trying to hang on to the territory that goes from damascus up to the coast. and unless there is some kind of agreement which very well might result in either a confederation or a dismantling along geographic and tribal or religious li...

Or a dismantling along geographic and tribal or religious lines inside syria, it's hard to see how there can be anything that would be constructive after assad. but i am encouraged that secretary kerry is meeting with the russians, the turks, the saudis, and others to see if there isn't some sort of a political way forward. >> you differ with the current administration, with the obama administration now, on having said you support a no fly zone in syria. if, say, you're president and that no-fly zone is in effect and a russian jet flies into that no-fly zone and they refuse warnings to leave, ...