Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130108:00:53:00
Even newt gingrich himself said he didn't think the debt court of appealing is the big thing. everyone shifted to government shutdown. that didn't help president clinton. it didn't hurt him. gives president obama more leverage. it's very hard to see him facing saying okay, let's just default. it is possible to see him with the example of president clinton and with the new strength that he has standing up and saying, okay, we don't want you to shut it down, but if we have to, we're not going to have any hostage taking anymore. it's a little bit different, chris. >> once again, joan has taught m...