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Last night, we heard from actors inside raqqah, the capital of isis self-declared caliphate that there were cabinets. in the bombardment last night. frankly at this stage, you don't know who is bombing what given the coalitions. focused again on this deeply troubled country. i have to tell you over the years of coming here, it just seems to get in a more agonized state as each month goes past. and yet again, in order to stop that flow with terror many say originates here from syria to the west, how will they stop the syrian civil war. barack obama today not backing down from what he's been say...

People to assume it was posturing, in retrospect, the zigs and zags, that was all very real. >> any historical precedent for the public playing out of this saga? obviously a lot of people take a long time, and as you say, his emotional predicament is unprecedented. has there been a public wishing and waiting? >> oh, absolutely. mario cuomo famously in 1991, the primary process that bill clinton finally won in the democratic party, mario cuomo kept on giving signals, i will, i won't did not declare-not going to run until the 20th of december, so that's later in the process that we're talking ab...

Long time, and as you say, his emotional predicament is unprecedented. has there been a public wishing and waiting? >> oh, absolutely. mario cuomo famously in 1991, the primary process that bill clinton finally won in the democratic party, mario cuomo kept on giving signals, i will, i won't did not declare-not going to run until the 20th of december, so that's later in the process that we're talking about. robert kennedy, when he was thinking about whether to run lbj over the vietnam war issue in late 1967, 1968 was agonized, finally only declared 16th of march of that election year, the sprin...

Unprecedented. has there been a public wishing and waiting? >> oh, absolutely. mario cuomo famously in 1991, the primary process that bill clinton finally won in the democratic party, mario cuomo kept on giving signals, i will, i won't did not declare-not going to run until the 20th of december, so that's later in the process that we're talking about. robert kennedy, when he was thinking about whether to run lbj over the vietnam war issue in late 1967, 1968 was agonized, finally only declared 16th of march of that election year, the spring of the year that election would have been held. mich...

Doing it. it's one of the scariest interviews i have ever done. >> okay. compare him to robert mcnamara. >> mcnamara, thoughtful, reflective, agonized about the past. rumsfeld completely unapologetic, pleased with himself. convinced absolutely in his own correctness, his own rectitude. they couldn't be more different than two people could possibly be. >> thank you so much. the film's called "the unknown known." it will drive you crazy, but you have to see it. thank you, errol morris and david corn for your expertise. the book is "hubris." the best book ever on that war. we'll be right back aft...