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And that was in fact because there was a great deal of agonizing over what to do over whether in fact to even call out russia and blame russia for the hacks of the democratic national committee, computers and for sbrefrg in the kban and then if so what to do about it, whether to take any action at all. >> and you detail those divisions with the great anecdote about secretary of state kerry who it reminded me of his own presidential campaign where i think a two, three days before the 2004 election a tape was released by bin laden. and i know that outside events are something that people in gove...

Banking or defense or i.t. or you could possibly done some very forceful cyberattack type of options that would have disrupted portions of russia's national security networks why why did they decide against. >> why did they decide against telling people? there was some discussion about actually going public with this and when they did decide not to tell people about it, why did they decide on modest responses as opposed to forceful responses? >> that was the big debate over the summer whether or not to go public with the news that russia was behind this influenced campaign and "b" whether to d...

Response only to settle on a modest set of sanctions in late december, well after the election. thank you both for joining me. it is your paper that reported this today. it is a fascinating read. let me ask you this. the bottom line question i took away from this, how much of the agonizing that the obama administration went through last fall and how much of the fact the sanctions didn't come down until well after the election. how many of it is a simple assumption that hillary clinton has this election in the bag. let's not stir anything else up until it's over. let's just get through election...

It's bringing in armchair quarterbacks in the political and legal realm. it's agonizing to hear this and to see this impressionable cadre of millennials thinking that they know what's going on and the -- >> neil: it work both ways. you have the trump supporters and -- >> people there's a trump tent. they're gaining weight because of it -- >> and he's breaking marriages and all oh this -- >> the protest. people getting exercise. >> no politics, no religion at the bar. >> neil: just be drunk. okay. we discuss add study that people are skipping lunch breaks and opting to eat at their desk. new re...

He obviously gets a certain relief, a certain pleasure, perhaps, from viciously attacking his critics. but he is sitting there tonight in the white house, staring at that overused tv without having had that relief, that pleasure. how agonizing is that for him? for someone who fills with rage so easily to be able to release that rage is so important. we've had reliable reports that the president explodes in rage at his staff inside the white house, sometimes even worse than his public explosions on twitter. and that might be happening in the white house tonight. there is a report in the daily b...