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Robert mueller's indictment of longtime trump ally roger stone is a big deal. mueller charges the president's longtime ally, a man he's known since the 1970s sought stolen e-mails from wikileaks, e-mails damaging to then-candidate trump's opponents, at the direction of senior trump campaign officials. let's bring in now james clapper. he is a former director of national intelligence under president obama. good evening, director. so good to have you on. >> thanks, don. >> what do you see in this indictment? is this collusion? is it obstruction? what is it? >> well, i read it over carefully a co...

Away, you would redact it. go on. sorry. >> i do wonder if that is trump itself. i understand why a lot of people think it might be. >> yeah. you know, the president, kirsten, continues to call this a witch hunt. but roger stone is the sixth associate charged in the special counsel investigation. the white house can say that this has nothing to do with the president, but this was his campaign. these are the people he surrounded himself with. he hired them. he sought their counsel. there you go. it's all laid out in front of you on the screen now. >> yeah. i mean it's about his campaign. so thi...

House? >> this to me. i tried to explain all of these indictments. they are all important, as you know, sometimes it takes half of your show to explain pap pap in a bar in london, all these things. this is very clear. this is someone who is close to the white house. in the indictment it says that the campaign, a senior official, unidentified, that means someone way up, asked roger stone to go to wikileaks. by then we knew they had, and it was out in public, had those hillary clinton e-mails and talked to them about release and talked to them about various things relating to them. then you see ...

Hillary clinton and all the -- you know, her alleged illnesses, and she had a stroke and all that sort of thing. well, those themes emerge both from the russians and from the trump campaign. >> i want to read this quickly and get your response before i let you go. the indictment goes on to say, to lay out what happened in october of 2016. this is a month before the election and one day before the release of that "access hollywood" tape. stone tweets from a now defunct, deleted account. he says, julian assange will deliver a devastating expose on hillary at a time of his choosing. i stand by my...

And seemingly coordinating -- it certainly looks like coordinating releasing information -- with wikileaks, releasing information that was harmful to hillary clinton that was obtained by the russians, hacking into the dnc. so i don't think we should lose sight of that, that this is whether it's illegal or not, you know, which it very well -- i guess it's not illegal. i mean, you know, that's not what he was charged with. but it's certainly highly problem att problemattic and not something you would expect somebody who is running for president and becoming president of the united states to do. ...