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Ryan, cassidy hutchinson testified about pat cipollone's conversations with people like mark meadows while rioters were storming the capitol. listen to this. >> and i remember pat saying to him something to the effect of the rioters have gotten to the capitol, mark, we need to go down and see the president now. and mark looked up at him and said, he doesn't want to do anything, pat. and pat said something to the effect of, and very clearly, had said this to mark, something to the effect of "mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die in the sxt and the blood's going to be on yo...

Phone and i remember pat saying to him something to the effect of the rioters have gotten to the capitol mark, we need to go down and see the president now. and mark looked up at him and said he doesn't want to do anything, pat. and pat said something to the effect of -- and very clearly said this to mark -- something to the effect of, mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood is going to be on your f-ing hands. this is getting out of control, i'm going down there. >> pat cipollone weighed in at one point. i remember saying that letter this guy wants to send, th...

Something to the effect of, mark, something needs to be done, the flood will be on your f-ing hands. >> reporter: the committee is hoping these hearings inspire pat cipollone to come forward. congresswoman liz cheney, a republican, continues to try to make direct appeals to him. she tweeted just this morning asking him to come publicly testify. and that this is in the greater good for him to come forward but so far, he's resistant. we'll see in the coming weeks. >> great reporting, thank you. let's discuss with david gergen. good to have you. >> thank you, poppy. good to be here. >> such an im...

>> as you point out, he is a working lawyer. there's a lot at stake. david, i want to remind everyone, i played a sound bite of cassidy hutchison describing the conversations she had that day, saying don't let trump go to the capitol, because they're going to throw every charge at us if he goes ahead with that. she also was there when he sort of -- her account sort of came charging in, full of stress to talk to meadows, and here is what she says cipollone said. >> mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die and their blood is going to be on your "f"-ing hands. this is getting o...

Her or any other witness we have heard from that happened that day, the blame belongs with the former president and the people who attacked us, period. officer harry dunn is "outfront." he confronted rioters that day, many who subjected him to racial slurs, screamed in his face. and you are speaking to me in your personal capacity. so the development here about pat cipollone getting a subpoena to appear. so as you know, officer, cassidy hutchison testified that pat cipollone directly, in a conversation with her, said, you know, you can't let the president go to the capitol. you can't let that ...