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I respect what mr. paynter said. no question that the answer was not complete. the question was broader but the question was not a model of clarity. log question that involved a recently released cnn story. should he have been a little more broad in his answer? absolutely. but i'm still not convinced there is a compelling case for perjury. he has recused himself. that's the right thing. he did it a bit belatedly because he waited for the meeting. >> martha: richard, do you believe there's a case for perjury? >> what i said is not telling the truth about your dealing with the russians is a good...

I respect what mr. paynter said. no question that the answer was not complete. the question was broader but the question was not a model of clarity. log question that involved a recently released cnn story. should he have been a little more broad in his answer? absolutely. but i'm still not convinced there is a compelling case for perjury. he has recused himself. that's the right thing. he did it a bit belatedly because he waited for the meeting. >> martha: richard, do you believe there's a case for perjury? >> what i said is not telling the truth about your dealing with the russians is a good...

>> oh, sure. >> was there an impetus? >> sure we know. had met a couple of times before. once they had been together at the exclusive bohemian grove club in san francisco and eisenhower was president of columbia and nixon running for the senate, which became one of his nastiest races, and in 1952 eisenhower's advisers suggested this guy, this california senator who was -- who had many things going for him. he was a red hunter and appeased the man who helped alger hess, but eisenhower didn't know a presidential candidate got to make this choice. oh, i got to do this, and his advice, particularl...