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About somebody who has been deported who has been here since he was in the fifth grade, he was a felon because he was overcharged by ice which is something that ice has been slapped down three times. >> that's a bureaucratic mistake. >> ice has been slapped down three times by the supreme court for doing this and they continue to do it. they overcharge people. >> you don't trust the criminal justice system. >> no. i don't they deport people even though they have committed a minor crime. >> you come down on the side of anarchy. >> when someone opposes something you support you call it anarchy. ...

It. >> we don't obey the laws. >> this is the problem. the border is not secure as the administration and as the administrations prior have claimed. that's the first point. the second point, is we have laws on the books that are not being enforced. we don't need more immigration laws we have them. >> that's exactly right. >> it is illegal to enter the country without permission. that's the first thing. >> that's exactly right. >> it is illegal to harbor illegal aliens inside a city in your home anywhere. that is also illegal under federal law. the problem here is that washington, d.c. has tied...

It. >> we don't obey the laws. >> this is the problem. the border is not secure as the administration and as the administrations prior have claimed. that's the first point. the second point, is we have laws on the books that are not being enforced. we don't need more immigration laws we have them. >> that's exactly right. >> it is illegal to enter the country without permission. that's the first thing. >> that's exactly right. >> it is illegal to harbor illegal aliens inside a city in your home anywhere. that is also illegal under federal law. the problem here is that washington, d.c. has tied...

The table, and they, you know, want'ed to make sure their family was intact, yes, they broke the law, but it's not a felony. it's kind -- it's an act of love. >> now, that point of view has angered some hardliners who believe that foreign nationals breaking the law should be punished, not granted amnesty. >> i understand what jeb was saying, but we're also a nation of laws. those who are here without documents, they are going to have to face the law at some point. >> and that's true. anyone who crosses our border illegally or overstays a visa should pay a price lead me repeat anyone who does t...

>> >> absolutely. as margaret thatcher once put it the problem with socialism is that socialist governments run out of spending other people's money. that's what's happened in california. >> bill: what about the intrusion, mr. moore, of the illegal alien problem? now, in los angeles, it cost an enormous amount of money. they won't police the borders, the state won't and the feds do a terrible job of it as well. so you add that. you add a big medical. estimated that all medi-cal payments elderly and poor is stolen. they don't have the people to watch it. it looks to me and i think the doctor sa...